HIBA NOOR’S ACCUSATIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS
HIBRA NOOR WROTE TO ME
Whole Day I was Watching Comments of this Post’s
Just Wanted To Know that anyone Answer these Questions…..
But Not Found Any Fair Debate only Mudslinging Each other….
I was musing about this…
when anyone says, “Our Religion is about Peace,” and someone else say to Him, “But look at all the killing that has happened because of Your Religion – it can’t be about Peace!”
Then they Not Realize what is Truth and what is False…. what is Fair What Unfair…… What is Reality and what is Authenticity
They Just Start Fighting, Mudslinging, Defending their Religion and Blaming Others……..
I Share This Post For Open Discussions and debate
Not For Blaming Each other Religion Faith and Societies
Blaming to Others is Not the Solution
@Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui
Please Read the full transcript and Just Answers The Question of Zulfiqar Tareen…… if You Can
If you Can’t
This Discussion is not for You
Following are the Accusations Raised by Mr. Zareen and My Responses. The discussion took place on facebook dated 27-28 Nov, 2012
ACCUSATION # 1
Point # 1 “Religion forced women to stay in marriage with abusing husbands by making divorces illegal and immoral and by giving all the rights and powers to husbands ( for example Muhammad gave only men right to divorce). Untill recently there was no divorce in judaism, hiduism or christianity.”
In ISLAM women have the right of “KHULLA” ! .. please correct your facts.
ACCUSATION # 2
Religion claimed women are inferior to men, and asked men to decipline them by beating them ( for example Muhammad claimed in sura 4:34 that allah perfers men over women, and he has given men advantage over women in knowledge, reason and authority and also because men spend money on women. Muhammad further asked his followers to beat their women if they disobey. He also made 2 female witnesses equal to 1 male witness / sura 2:282). women had no right to vote even in western democracies untill recently. The people in those countries were influenced by the religious teachings in denying women even their basic rights.
I belong to orthodox fundamental muslim family where its a norm to judge every action we do in the light of Quran and hadith ! My dad earns money.. and he gives the Money to my Mum ! My Dad control the affairs considering the family unity, protect it from outsiders, and ensures our security.
while My Mum is in-charge of the household expenditure, my education and day to day housekeeping.
: )… we follow this lifestyle because our Prophet pbuh followed the same model !
yes 2 females = 1 male (ONLY IN WITNESS) !
a) Weakness of your argument – Selective Bias
Read the whole verse .. 2:282
Its only about a specific case – the Contract of a Debt..
- “O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses – so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her”. [2:282]
The whole verse talks about the importance of Documentation in a business in general and Debt Agreement as special case. in this particular case where no documentation exists, the order is given ! ..
IT IS NOT MENTIONED ANY WHERE THAT IN EVERY OTHER CASE 2 WOMAN=1 ! sorry wrong argument !
IN ISLAM GIVING AND LENDING MONEY IS VERY IMPORTANT TRANSACTION
a) Using Counter Argument Logic
But see the honor of a WOMEN words ..
“But it will prevent punishment from her if she gives four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the liars.”
A Women can not be considered “Adulterious” if just say 4 times that she is innocent !
NOT MUSLIM MAN CAN EVEN THINK OF HURTING HER OR CONSIDERING HER BAD .. IF SHE JUST SAY IT 4 TIMES !!!
Is there ANY OTHER SYSTEM IN THE WORLD WHO VALUES A WOMAN’S WORD LIKE THAT ??
b) Using Logic of Physical Weakness through Scientific Evidence
“Forty percent of women suffer from pre-menstrual syndrome in some form and one in if our women have their lives severely disrupted by it. Dr Jill Williams, general practitioner from Bury, gives guidelines on how to recognise patients at risk and suggests a suitable treatment.”
[Psychiatry in Practice, April 1993, p.14]
In the same issue, George Beaumont reporting on the workshop held at the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in London on pre-menstrual syndrome, says:
“Some authorities would argue that 80 percent of women have some degree of breast and abdominal discomfort which is pre-menstrual but that only about 10 percent complain to their doctors – and then only because of severe tenderness of the breasts and mental depression… Other authorities have suggested that pre-menstrual syndrome is a new problem, regular ovulation for 20 years or more being a phenomenon caused by ‘civilisation’, ‘medical progress’, and an altered concept of the role of women.”
[Psychiatry in Practice, April 1993, p.18]
In its examination of the occurrence of physical and psychological change during the period just prior to the onset of menstruation we read in Psychological Medicine:
“Many studies have reported an increased likelihood of various negative affects during the pre-menstrual period. In this affective category are many emotional designations including irritability, depression, tension, anxiety, sadness, insecurity, lethargy, loneliness, tearfulness, fatigue, restlessness and changes of mood. In the majority of studies, investigators have found it difficult to distinguish between various negative affects, and only a few have allowed themselves to be excessively concerned with the differences which might or might not exist between affective symptoms.” [Psychological Medicine, Monograph Supplement 4, 1983, Cambridge University Press, p.6]
c) Logic of psychological attitude
even in the west woman are just said to be “Independent”.. they are always under influence of some one ! either they are used as Sex Slaves (without any binding on the BF) … A Marketing Tool or the visual pleasure of men run societies !.. in the company of men, they are always under a pressure to look more and more better !.. most of their energies are usually being invested in getting more attention rather then on work (not a rule but usually a case).
YOU MAY NOT AGREE 100%… BUT YOU CAN NOT CLAIM WOMEN ARE UNDER SEVER DISCRIMINATION IN ISLAM EITHER : )
yes our son gets more share.. but Why..
yes because in ISLAM.. woman are QUEEN OF THE FAMILIES ! THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO DO HARD WORK.. THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE QUEEN OF THEIR FAMILY AND ENJOY AND MANAGE THE MONEY OF THEIR HUSBANDS GRACEFULLY AND PEACEFULY”
its the sons who are encouraged to provide that peace and tranquality to the woman of their choice through MARRIAGE.. and in order to make that happen !
SON IS GIVEN A LARGER SHARE .. HALF OF WHICH FOR HIMSELF.. AND OTHER HALF FOR HIS WIFE : )
IN REALITY, ISLAM IS INDIRECTLY GIVING WOMEN TWICE MORE SHARE THEN A SON IN THE LONGER RUN : )
- Human Brain Analysis – Men Vs Women
- Logic of why Muslim Girl get 1/3 share and Muslim Boy gets 2/3rd share?
: ))) love you all
ACCUSATION # 3
Religion accused women for the expulsion of Adam ( the fictional character) from Eden by convincing him to eat apple and disobey God (i am still looking for god)
Hadeeth of ibn majah and annasa’i. A man came to the phophet[saw]and said,” O Messenger of Allah ! I intend to go on jehad but I have come to ask your advice.” He [saw]said,” Is yor mother alive? He said yes .He said ,Then stay with her, for the garden is under her feet.” Declared saheeh by al Hakim,Dhahaabi,al Mundhiri,Zubair ali za’i and others.walaahu aa’lam
BUT ITS THE WOMAN WHO WILL TAKE MANKIND TO THE PARADISE BACK AGAIN !
A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man said. “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man further said, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man asked for the fourth time, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your father.”
A MAN MAY NO HAVE A FATHER (CLONING/ARTIFICIAL) BIRTH .. BUT MUST ALWAYS HAVE A MOTHER ! JUST LOVE HIS MOTHER, CARE HIS MOTHER, SERVICE HIS MOTHER, AND HE GOES TO PARADISE : )..
btw… ITS THE BIBLE that says it was Woman’s Mistake
ISLAM SAYS.. IT WAS THE WORK OF SATAN AND ADAM AN EVE.. JUST GOT VICTIMIZED.. ALLAH FORGAVE THEM ALREADY.. READ MORE..
ACCUSATION # 4
In 1947 religion caused the division of the sub-continent of INDIA into INDIA & PAKISTAN. The partition resulted in the deaths of 2 million Indians and the displacement of 20 millions.
It was RELIGION which remained in harmony with each other (Muslims and Hindus) for centuries..
ITS GETTING HARD FOR YOU TO CONTROL YOUR ANGER WHEN I COME AND REFUTE !!…… MANY OF YOU HAVE ASKED ME NOT TO REPLY TO YOUR POST … YOU CANT TOLERATE A PERSON !.. WHY YOU WANT BILLION OF MUSLIMS NOT TO RETALIATE TO THE INJUSTICE ????? …
The division was the result of WESTERN IMPERIALISM who looted us for almost a century and when they left, they wanted to distributed power unjustly among the civilians !.. They were severely biased towards Muslims !.. It was a political response rather then a religious ** MUST ** !! ..
same was happening in the Arabian peninsula. !! it were British who dreamed to destroy the OTTOMON EMPIRE (which produced world’s finest scientists including “JABIR BIN HAYAN” .. etc check
in 16th century and fulfilled it the late 18th..
WHAT WILL ATHEISTS DO IF SOME ONE TRIES TO ISOLATE THEM OR DEPRIVE THEM OF THEIR NATIVE HOMELAND ???… WOULD THEY HAPPILY LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY ALL IN THE NAME OF “LOVE” and “Peace” ??
… please ‘Religion” and “Politics” are two different subjects !!..
ACCUSATION # 5
5. Religion allowed Moses and Muhammad and their followers to to attack pagans without any provocation, plunder their cities, rob them of their wealth, and take female captives after the battle as booty and have sex with them, sell them or trade them with other soldiers ( sura 4:24/4:03/33:50). To know about the crimes committed by Judaism please read Torah.
I can not write Books and volumes here since the accusation is very general in nature. i would prefer simple one-liners or straight logic to provoke thought.
SHOULD THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SET FREE DR. AAFIA IN THE NAME OF LOVE AND PEACE ?? : )))
…. well mostly the answer is ‘NO’ !.. because they think SHE ASSISTED THE TERRORISTS !
If an atheists would never believe in releasing such “Terrorist Supporter” !… even in 2012
why should the women soldiers of the pagans who have more brutal history of killing and torturing muslims not be kept imprisioned ? but on the other hand we say “IVONE RIDLEY” released by the very hardliner extremists element of the 2012
.. the conclusion is same..
MAY BE YOU DON’T TAKE THE SUBJECT WITH SINCERITY.. and creates a false picture through selective & biased process
- Islamic History is full of sahabas marrying with their slaves and raising their status.
- Islamic the only religion, which considered it a GREAT SAWAB to release a Slave!
- Islam the only religion, where a slave was given max rights, in most of cases, equal to that of master
- Islam forbade beating of slaves
1) Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them. [Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124]
2) Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: “The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! ” Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.
3) Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah said, “The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, ‘Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.’ ” Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.
NOW.. AN ATHEIST WOULD CLAIM.. SO WHY ISLAM JUST DID’T ISSUE A CLEAR ODER
“RELEASE ALL SLAVES and never keep it”
Answer: Slavery was not invented by ISLAM.. it was actually destroyed by ISLAM. but through a Gradual Process! You can object the process but not the sincerity ! Due to initial meccan period.. when the “Slavery” was a tool to defeat enemy and a way to stop the aggression from Attacking! But during madinan period, when ISLAM acquired power, the process of freeing slaves started !
THE SLAVE OF PROPHET MOHAMMED (PBUH) ZED !! WHY YOU DON’T MENTION HIM WHEN THE FAMILY OF ZED CAME TO PROPHET AND REQUESTED HIM TO RELEASE ZED, PROPHET SAID TAKE ZED WITH YOU.. BUT ZED HIMSELF REFUSED AND SAY “O PROPHET OF ALLAH, I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOUR COMPANY”.. PROPHET CALLED HIM HIS ‘SON’!!
Is there any other example in the world where a Master calls his slave a ‘SON’.. and the slave love his master to an extend that he prefers his family !
SLAVES WERE TAKEN FROM THE “PRISIONERS OF THE WAR”..TODAY.. SLAVES ARE ALSO TAKEN. BUT KEPT IN GUANTANAGOBEY : )))))
SLAVERY STILL EXISTS… THE FORM IS DIFFERENT…. KEEP THEM IN JAIL.. OR KEEP THEM AT HOME AND CALL THEM YOUR ‘SON