God or No God – A Dialogue with an Indian American Atheist


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FOLLOWING POST IS BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT OF  MY DIALOGUE WITH AN ATHEIST (Dated 8th December, 2012)

[Atheist]

My people in asia created great gods like Ram, Krishna,Yahwa, Allah, and Christ, .
You guys were incapable of creating great gods, though you did manage to create smaller gods like Thore, Zeus, and Apollo, but those gods were nothing compared to ours, as we are the best in the business, just as japanese are the best in manufacturing cars.
You eventually ended up borrowing our gods. But you did it without our permission; it is called stealing. Please don’t bother our gods anymore. we have been pampering these gods for 1000s of years and we want them for ourselves to save our ass in afterlife. Don’t bloody use our gods to save yours. BACK OFF.

Get your own gods, MAN, and quit messing with ours. Thank you, and goodbye.

zulfiqar tareen, a friend of all, enemy of none.

[Response]

Every thing including Time, Space, Beginning, Ending, Nothingness and Infinity, Souls, matter, energy, waves .. as small as atom.. as large as universe.. 

are creation of a One Almighty Creator.


Say your God is none but ONE !
he is the creator of the Power of Creation !
Don’t bound him into physical world.. 
as physical world is just his Creation
and creation can not overcome the Creator !


You would’t find such peace and rhythm in the universe had there been more then one God,, they would be fighting for each other for more supremacy.

and you would’t be seeing such perfectly calculated and organized universe, had there been no Creator. 

There is no god but ONE !

God created this universe of trillion galaxies based on the laws (verses)

F=ma
E=mc2
S=vt 


May be God created the Paradise based on following laws (verses)

F=ma2
E=mc3
S=v2t

You can not visualize a world made of the second set of laws !

So Trust GOD.. 

he is the Creator of the power of Creation !

and to only such God should the intelligent heads bow 

otherwise the gods of flesh, the human shape gods with many hands or feets, or the gods of money, or the gods of sexual lust, or the gods of india or romans fighting over female deities or piece of land …. ARE NOT EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING !

there was one out of 100000000000000000000000000000000 chance that the big bang could result into formation of a planet known as earth and to have such intelligent life.

in other words if 100000000000000000000000000000000 big bangs are made then there is possibility that 1 will result in the formation of milky way with a planet called earth with an intelligent life called Mankind !!

… how weird is to believe that 100000000000000000000000000000000 big-bangs happened

but not to believe that such chance happened by the will of ONE ALMIGHTY

and the whole universe to him is like a dream in our Mind !..

does it take any effort or energy to create a universe in our imagination ???

i can do that in a second !.. just close ur eyes u can do it..

this is the example of GOD to us

We are just his Imagination !..

and being His Imagination, WE CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND OUR CREATOR !

A character in our imagination can NEVER BE MORE INTELLIGENT then the mind where it was created

[Atheist]

I think you are one of the conspirators.get off with your Gods. We humans know Gods have formed a federation of Gods to fight war against mutineer humans and some humans are collaborating with them.We are inventing the powers of the Gods and preparing how to neutralize them.Leave them alone Join back your human brothers.You are great asset.

[Me]

How can i believe in you when having lived over 50,000 years, none of intelligent you, or collective intelligence of thousands scientists, could save a single soul from Death ?..

just like the roll of dice (the 50% chance in unbiased physical world)…
when we die.. there is 50% chance that we become soil.. or 50% chance that we end up in hell ?
being intelligent, i am not even taking 50% chance ..
i am making my self 100% free from Hell .. by having faith in God !

[Atheist]

Your question about death is wrong. the right quesiton is this: muhammad and his allah could not save hussain at karabala. muhammad and his allah could not save muhammad’s only male child, who was born to mariya, the maid of hafsa. muhmmad had sex with her in the absence of hafsa. muhammad and his allah could not save omar from assassination. muhammad and his allah could not save othman from assassination. muhammad and his allah could not save fatima, who was killed at the hands of omar ibn khattab.

[Me]


Imagine the population one earth if none of men ever died in wars or natural disaster !!
ITS GOD who has given a freedom for a limited amounth of time as an examination !
The more who obeyed GOD the more he/she will be rewarded !

[Atheist]

@ammar… answer the above question

[Me]

God has created Life and Death to see whom of you purify themselves and who using their intellect understand the greater wisdom of God.

[Atheist]

Muhammad created allah. allah the ghost is the creation of muhammad’s devious mind.  tell allah to piss off

[Me]

Mohammed created ALLAH or I explained a God worth keeping Faith in !.. 
Does’t matter.. as long as u understand what a God should be God !
Regarding Mohammed ‘s son.. It was message to Mohammed that you are nothing but a slave and bondsman ! being a prophet you are not liable to receive all the good things.. you will suffer the same pain which mankind goes through. in the sight of GOD every human is Equal !..

Regarding other stuff.. it is up to you how you twist the history or how you manipulate the facts.

U.S. Govt waged war on IRAQ in the search of WMD !. but it became apparent that it was war for OIL !
but at the same time there were many good soldiers in U.S. Army, when they witnessed the oppression against iraqi people, they left army and did not care about their career !

The U.S> Officials in Pentagon ! …. took their decisions against humanity.. those soldiers choose to act for humanity..

the wars, natural disasters, problems, sufferings, are all EXAMMINATION FOR MANKIND 
to make them see what choices they make ..

SO THAT ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT, WHEN THEIR ACTIONS AND ITS CONSEQUENCES WILL BE SHOWN TO THEM, THEY WILL EITHER FEEL PROUD, OR BE GUILTY ABOUT IT.

The Americans decided to Nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki and chose to kill over 10 million HUMANS !

They could instead preferred to surrender and save humanity !
its God who will show them the consequences of their choices !

and God has the power to RAISE FROM THE GRAVES JUST LIKE HE RAISED THEM IN THE WOMBS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

 “Allah could not saved him from assasination….”

IMAGINE POPULATION TODAY ON EARTH IF NO ONE EVER HAVE DIED OF MURDER, NATURAL DISASTER, WAR, DISEASES, NATURAL DEATH…. 

If there was a human on every inch of this planet earth, it would be again you complaining why THEY DON’T DIE !

So my friend, concentrate less on the wrongdoings of MAN and more on the divine wisdom of thy LORD !

And were it not for Allah’s repelling some men with others, the earth would certainly be in a state of disorder; but Allah is Gracious to the creatures. (The Noble Quran, 2:251)”

GOD HAS CREATED TIME TO PASS.. so that with every moment, you learn from the mistakes of the previous generation, and try to be better then ever before !!.. with every subsequent generation you get to learn more and more !

and more…

It is God that gives Life and Death, and God sees well all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 3:156)”

“Then shall anyone who has done an atom’s weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom’s weight of evil, shall see it. (The Noble Quran, 99:7-8)”

“And fear the Day when ye shall be brought back to God. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and none shall be dealt with unjustly. (The Noble Quran, 2:281)”

[Atheist]

Hay people Allah was a tribal moon god from centuries before Muhammad.He was the guide in travel in desert and help in prosperity and helper in war.He was worshiped in Maccah. The study of mythology tells us about details of Arab gods.But you people were talking about death.Humans will control death soon.One hundred fifty limit will be crossed whithen meddle of this century,scientists claim.After that era of cloning will start which will will unlimited life.So men,get prepared fpr era pf man.

[Me]

“Hay people Allah was a tribal moon god from centuries before Muhammad.”

Allah very clearly explained above so there is no point of blabbering my friend. So do not force me to accept what you want me to. what i think about God is well explained. when you stop thinking logically, stubbornness begins.

Humans will control death… 

  • if Humans will control death again 50,50 chance !.. what if they could’t ?? .. will you still die without having faith in GOD and risk your afterlife ??
  • why won’t humans will kill each other by engaging into a third world war of NUKES ?? again 50, 50 ?? ..
  • what if they kill most of each other and remaining ones again have to start a new JOURNEY OF SCIENCE
  • right from the beginning ??
  • what if before the conquest of death, some distant meteor hits earth and destroyed almost all of it ??
  • what if before that conquest, the global warming goes to alarming level and america and Europe goes under water?


????????? taking 50,50 chances?? is worth it ? .. a 0.0000000000000005 % chance of death’s conquest verses 100% guarantee of God’s forgiveness if you keep faith and act upon his will??????

Well Lets apply the maths of probability.. 

50% chance world war 3 will happen, 50% chance it will not !!
50% chance global warming will destroy, 50% chance it will not !
50% chance some meteor will hit, 50% it will not
50% chance ozone destroy and oxygen leaks, 50% chance it will not..
…………. a thousands of possibilities…..

what about the chances of having all these events happening sequentially???

what will be the chances of survival ???

………

(Did’t the great Alexnder destroyed??… didt the great romans and persions vanished keepin such dreams?.. did’t great chineese dynasities vanished???…………………………………??? didt the 2 world war happened in modern age)??? arent wars happening right now ???? in modern world?????

[Atheist]

Man,you say you don’t want to believe what we are trying to make you whereas we are telling you facts and calculations of scientific study.You speaking of fifty fifty concepts but we are telling you what is hundred percent happening.What future holds for mankind,no religious book can predict and never could.And I am sorry to inform you all stories of Gods creating a world and mankind on earth narrated in our holy books have been taken from those stories which were told in the clay tablets of Sumerian Civilization more than six thousand years ago.According to the calculations of holy books,our world was created by God nearly six thousand years before.The clay tablets were written seven thousand years before.The Sumerian civilization was destroyed and these clay tablets were discovered in 1830 and their language had been deciphered by German archealogists and the whole system of religious thought and development had been brought to light.

[Me]

Facts and Calculations of Scientific Study.. 

Even the scientists are divided into groups, one who consider the universe a beautiful work of God and others who does’t. Therefore your self-assumption that science is leading you some where is invalid ! Science may also lead you towards God.

“According to a survey of members of the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center in May and June this year, a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/24/opinion/la-oe-masci24-2009nov24

The 50/50 Concept is taken from the one of the most ancient and proven field of Mathematics ! So it is also from science !

You aren’t telling you with 100% ! you are just dreaming of some thing !.. 

as of 2012, science has not yet produce a intelligent thinking device more intelligent then a worm ! 

“Moravec’s Paradox. “It is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old [human] when it comes to perception and mobility,” roboticist Hans Moravec wrote in 1988.”

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120628-can-we-create-intelligent-robots/2

[Atheist]

 

No religious scientist has proved this is God and this happening of creation of universe.THE SCIENTISTS HAVE PROVED HOW IT HAPPENED IN GOD PARTICLE EXPERIMENT A FEW MONTHS AGO.A bigger experiment is yet in the offing and there is no God working on them.All humans believing in human mind and universe.And mr Ammar do not bring irrelavent topics for discussion.If you are so much in love with God no one is stopping you but do not stop others from the path of Logic and science.Thank you very much.

[Me]

“What future hold for mankind.. “

Ever since scientists proved the Big Bang to be the most plausible cosmological theory, and since it only focused more on how it might have all began, their attention started to shift to how the Universe would end. Thus, all 4 theories mentioned above (Big Crunch, Big Freeze, etc.) are actually offshoots of the Big Bang.

The Big Crunch predicts that, after having expanded to its maximum size, the Universe will finally collapse into itself to form the greatest black hole ever.

On the opposite side of the coin, the Big Freeze foretells of a universe that will continue to stretch forever, distributing heat evenly in the process until none is left to be usable enough. Hence, it is also known as the Heat Death.

A more dramatic version of the Big Freeze is the Big Rip. In this scenario, the Universe’s rate of expansion will increase substantially so that everything in it, down to the smallest atom, will be ripped apart.
In a cyclic or oscillatory model of the Universe, there will be no end … for matter and energy, that is. But for us and the Universe that we know of, there will definitely be a conclusion. In an oscillatory model, the Big Bang and Big Crunch form a pair known as the Big Bounce. Essentially, such a universe would simply expand and contract (or bounce) forever.
For astronomers to determine what the ultimate fate of the Universe should be, they would need to know certain information. Its density is supposedly one of the most telling.

You see, if its density is found to be less than the critical density, then only a Big Freeze or a Big Rip would be possible. On the other hand, if it is greater than the said critical value, then a Big Crunch or Big Bounce would most likely ensue.

The most accurate measurements on the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR), which is also the most persuasive evidence of the Big Bang, shows a universe having a density virtually equal to the critical density. The measurements also exhibit the characteristics of a flat universe. Right now, it looks like all gathered data indicate that a Big Crunch or a Big Bounce is highly unlikely to occur.

To render finality to these findings however, scientists will need to know the exact behavior of dark energy. Is its strength increasing? Is it diminishing? Is it constant? Only by answering these will they know the ultimate fate of the Universe.

CONCLUSION: Science not Sure…. but RELIGION VERY MUCH SURE !!

“We created not the heavens and the earth and all that is between them except with Truth and for an appointed term. But those who disbelieve turn away from that whereof they are warned.”

Holy Quran (46:3)

Verily in this is a Message for any that has a heart and understanding, or who gives ear and earnestly witnesses (the Truth). . . And listen for the Day when the Caller will call out from a place quite near. The Day when they will hear a (mighty) Blast in Truth: That will be the Day of Resurrection.

Qur’an 50.37-42

And on the day when the Hour riseth the guilty will vow that they did tarry, but an hour – Thus were they ever deceived. But those to whom knowledge and faith are given will say: “The truth is, ye have tarried, by Allah’s decree, until the Day of Resurrection. This is the Day of Resurrection, but ye used not to know.”

Qur’an 30.55-57

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/37105/fate-of-the-universe/#ixzz2EQ28lXXb

[Me]

I am giving references and presenting my points. please don’t act like religious conservatives ! let the talk continue. and have faith in the INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR AUDIENCE ! they will decide themselves ! 

PLEASE REFER TO THE REFERENCE WEBSITES, before replying. I am getting impression that you are not paying due attention. the study clearly showed 51% believe in God or Higher power.. HOW CAN YOU DENY ??

[Me]

According to the calculations of holy books,our world was created by God nearly six thousand years before.The clay tablets were written seven thousand years before.The Sumeria….”

I TOLD YOU I HAVE MY OWN BRAIN WORKING !.. PLEASE I KNOW GOD FROM MY LOGICS AND NOT FROM SOME ANCIENT HISTORY.. SO WHY YOU ARE FORCING ME TO BELIEVE IN SOME THING I NEVER BELIVED OR BASED MY UNDERSTANDING UPON ??

MY CONCEPT OF GOD IS BASED ON SCIENCE AND MY OWN UNDERSTANDING. How many times should i repeat ?

[Atheist]

 Man all religions prove God with stories not logic.If you have right to believe yours I haave mine .The question is prove it though science and logic and not with stories.What you are talking about end of universe it is based upon the Big Bang which scattered the mass all around the the space and which is travelling in shape of galaxies and this is called expansion of universe and it is thought one day this expansion may may bring the mass to zero and universe may become a void again a dark lifeless place.This theory is yet in its primary stages.Even the Theories about the universe are under study and research for example string theory.So brother there is no god working there.There are species who are working to understand and some may have understood the reality.For your information,the earth has contacts with other planets and the disclosure is not been done just due humans extraordinary attachment with creation concepts.Some very important persons of the world know about it and time may come the disclosure may deem necessary You should know that POPE has announced last year that if there is some intelligent species in the heavens earth will welcome them.May be some top Muslim leader have been taken into confidence about it.So brother,study of science is must not be mixed with religion.If you study religion and its cosmological concepts Hinduism will give you a tough time

[Me]

Strings Theory… Parallel overlapping universes ! little vibrating Strings !.. solved by 11th dimensional frame work.. by Michu Kaku : ) the ein stien of the 21st centur.. oh.. well New questions for the Atheists to haunt by ; )

1. Why strings vibrate ? where does the energy come from ??
2. How did the overlapping parallel universes started ?
3. where are the beginning and ends of the overlapping universes ??
4. what is beyond 12 dimension?
5. can there be another 24th dimensional framework which will suggest that in-fact its not strings.. but trillion times more smaller then those strings, which are actually the reason behind the vibration of those strings : )

God will always keep Atheists busy running after the scientists ; ) but every Atheist will die eventually ! and visit the grave..

Mankind will never satisfy from the Logic as for every logic it brings about, there would emerge new questions to begin searching and explaining : )

[Me]

There are species who are working to understand and some may have understood the reality.For your information,the earth has contacts with other planets and the disclosure is not been done just due humans extraordinary attachment with creation concepts.”

Religion already told with 100% confidence, the existence of species, which will help mankind travel from one black hole to another faster n faster.. and thus reach farther part of this universe !

SO WHEN SCIENCE TELLS YOU THAT THERE WOULD BE SPECIES : ) you will believe it..

but when Religion more advance then science tells you that there are ANGELS, JINS, AND DEVILS  you don’t believe : ) !

[Atheist]

God has nothing to do except to prove humans wrong??? What a God who has no positive work to do about human.

[Me]

My Faith is getting stronger then stronger that its nothing but God’s beautiful work and an examination for every soul to test witness and verify its own self !.. a Mere test who trust and keep Faith in God and who does’t !! 

Religion talked about expanding universe, day of judgement, the end of universe, the another species, the messengers and prophets connecting this world to another, prayers – a way to talk to the supreme divine, Solutions for mankind, asking them to think more of the poor in Africa and less of exploration of Mars !.. asking mankind to take more care of their aging parents and lesser of increasing computational power testing Moore’s Law ……….. Religion focuses on the human well being.. and they are using science as a tool to conquer the world.. nothing but a greed of more and more power !.. 

: ) ITS RELIGION MORE ADVANCE THEN SCIENCE !.. Religion already told what science has yet to discover…

How many seconds would you take to say “I believe in a Creator who created every thing so beautifully” ????

its your own ego .. rather then God’s !.. He gave you breaths, heart beats, parents, world, water, fruits, life .. every thing for your pleasure and in returned asks nothing but Faith and Good deeds.. 

its mankind’s ego.. one can still carry on all the good things keep faith.. e.g.

1. no Violence against Women / equal treatment
2. No oppression against week and poor
3. No discrimination among mankind !
4. feeding all the poor and hungry men !
5. Education for All !!
6. Good life for every one… 

its not science that can ensure it all.. ITS WILL OF MAN TO DO IT !!!

and Will of MAN is a slave to the ideology in its mind !

SOCIALISM – CAPITALISM – ISLAMIC Balanced SYSTEM (best of the two) …….

[Me]

 If that’s the achievement and result of over centuries of scientific advancements 
90,000 Rapes… no wonder they making people atheists or scientists but not MEN !

Strict adherence to Islamic Laws in Saudia Arabia.

Hardly an incident of Rape against woman : ) .. but i think Rape Trauma is OK for an Atheist but not a faithful loyal and cooperative house wife : )

References

  1. What do Scientists Think About Religion?
  2. Building a Robot with Human Intelligence
  3. Will we ever create intelligent Robots?
  4. The Scientific Conquest of Death
  5. The Degeneration of Man
  6. The world is accelerating hold tight
  7. How long before Superintelligence
  8. Ultimate Fate of the Universe
  9. What is Ultimate Fate of Universe, some say ice, other say fire
  10. Fate of the Universe
  11. Artificial intelligence: Will computers pass the Turing test by 2029? Does it matter?
  12. Can Science beat death?
  13. Russian Scientist Tries to Defeat Death
  14. Top 10 ways to destroy Earth

Appendix A: “Original Text from Facebook”

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Dated: 8 – December – 2012

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A MESSAGE TO MY EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS:

My people in asia created great gods like Ram, Krishna,Yahwa, Allah, and Christ, .
You guys were incapable of creating great gods, though you did manage to create smaller gods like Thore, Zeus, and Apollo, but those gods were nothing compared to ours, as we are the best in the business, just as japanese are the best in manufacturing cars.
You eventually ended up borrowing our gods. But you did it without our permission; it is called stealing. Please don’t bother our gods anymore. we have been pampering these gods for 1000s of years and we want them for ourselves to save our ass in afterlife. Don’t bloody use our gods to save yours. BACK OFF.

Get your own gods, MAN, and quit messing with ours. Thank you, and goodbye.

zulfiqar tareen, a friend of all, enemy of none.
please check out how religion destroyed my aunt’s life in my facebook profile atwww.facebook.com/zulfitareen1

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Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Every thing including Time, Space, Begining, Ending, Nothingness and Infinity, Souls, matter, energy, waves .. as small as atom.. as large as universe.. 

are creation of a One Almighty Creator.

“say your God is none but ONE !
he is the creator of the Power of Creation !
Don’t bound him into physical world.. 
as physical world is just his Creation
and creation can not overcome the Creator !


You would’t find such peace and rythem in the universe had there been more then one God,, they would be fighting for each other for more supermacy.

and you would’t be seeing such perfectly calculated and organized universe, had there been no Creator. 

There is no god but ONE !
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Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui God created this universe of trillion galaxies based on the laws (verses)

F=ma
E=mc2
S=vt 


May be God created the Paradise based on following laws (verses)
F=ma2
E=mc3
S=v2t

You can not visualize a world made of the second set of laws !

So Trust GOD.. 

he is the Creator of the power of Creation !

and to only such God should the intelligent heads bow 

otherwise the gods of flesh, the human shape gods with many hands or feets, or the gods of money, or the gods of sexual lust, or the gods of india or romans fighting over female deities or piece of land …. ARE NOT EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING !
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui there was one out of 100000000000000000000000000000000 chance that the big bang could result into formation of a planet known as earth and to have such intelligent life. 

in other words if 100000000000000000000000000000000 big bangs are made then there is possibility that 1 will result in the formation of milky way with a planet called earth with an intelligent life called Mankind !!

… how weird is to believe that 100000000000000000000000000000000 big-bangs happened

but not to believe that such chance happened by the will of ONE ALMIGHTY

and the whole universe to him is like a dream in our Mind !..

does it take any effort or energy to create a universe in our imagination ???

i can do that in a second !.. just close ur eyes u can do it..

this is the example of GOD to us

We are just his Imagination !..

and being His Imagination, WE CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND OUR CREATOR !

A character in our imagination can NEVER BE MORE INTELLIGENT then the mind where it was created 

loves.
Ibn E Aadam I think you are one of the conspirators.get off with your Gods. We humans know Gods have formed a federation of Gods to fight war against mutineer humans and some humans are collaborating with them.We are inventing the powers of the Gods and preparing how to neutralize them.Leave them alone Join back your human brothers.You are great asset.
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Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui How can i believe in you when having lived over 50,000 years, none of intelligent you, or collective intelligence of thousands scientists, could save a single soul from Death ?..
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui just like the roll of dice (the 50% chance in unbiased physical world)…

when we die.. there is 50% chance that we become soil.. or 50% chance that we end up in hell ?

being intelligent, i am not even taking 50% chance ..

i am making my self 100% free from Hell .. by having faith in God !
Zulfiqar Tareen @ammar ahmad siddiqui…your question about death is wrong. the right quesiton is this: muhammad and his allah could not save hussain at karabala. muhammad and his allah could not save muhammad’s only male child, who was born to mariya, the maid of hafsa. muhmmad had sex with her in the absence of hafsa. muhammad and his allah could not save omar from assassination. muhammad and his allah could not save othman from assassination. muhammad and his allah could not save fatima, who was killed at the hands of omar ibn khattab.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Brother Zulfiqar Tareen
Imagine the population one earth if none of men ever died in wars or natural disaster !!

ITS GOD who has given a freedom for a limited amounth of time as an examination ! 

The more who obeyed GOD the more he/she will be rewarded !
Zulfiqar Tareen @ammar… answer the above question
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui God has created Life and Death to see whom of you purify themselves and who using their intellect understand the greater wisdom of God.
Zulfiqar Tareen muhammad created allah
Zulfiqar Tareen allah the ghost is the creation of muhammad’s devious mind.
Zulfiqar Tareen tell allah to piss off
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Mohammed created ALLAH or I explained a God worth keeping Faith in !.. 

Does’t matter.. as long as u understand what a God should be God !

Regarding Mohammed ‘s son.. It was message to Mohammed that you are nothing but a slave and bondsman ! being a prophet you are not liable to receive all the good things.. you will suffer the same pain which mankind goes through. in the sight of GOD every human is Equal !.. 

Regarding other stuff.. it is up to you how you twist the history or how you manipulate the facts.

U.S. Govt waged war on IRAQ in the search of WMD !. but it became apparent that it was war for OIL !
but at the same time there were many good soldiers in U.S. Army, when they witnessed the oppression against iraqi people, they left army and did not care about their career !

The U.S> Officials in Pentagon ! …. took their decisions against humanity.. those soldiers choose to act for humanity..

the wars, natural disasters, problems, sufferings, are all EXAMMINATION FOR MANKIND 

to make them see what choices they make ..

SO THAT ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT, WHEN THEIR ACTIONS AND ITS CONSEQUENCES WILL BE SHOWN TO THEM, THEY WILL EITHER FEEL PROUD, OR BE GUILTY ABOUT IT.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui The Americans decided to Nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki and chose to kill over 10 million HUMANS !

They could instead preferred to surrender and save humanity !

its God who will show them the consequences of their choices !

and God has the power to RAISE FROM THE GRAVES JUST LIKE HE RAISED THEM IN THE WOMBS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “Allah could not saved him from assasination….”

IMAGINE POPULATION TODAY ON EARTH IF NO ONE EVER HAVE DIED OF MURDER, NATURAL DISASTER, WAR, DISEASES, NATURAL DEATH…. 

If there was a human on every inch of this planet earth, it would be again you complaining why THEY DON’T DIE !

So my friend, concentrate less on the wrongdoings of MAN and more on the divine wisdom of thy LORD !

And were it not for Allah’s repelling some men with others, the earth would certainly be in a state of disorder; but Allah is Gracious to the creatures. (The Noble Quran, 2:251)”

GOD HAS CREATED TIME TO PASS.. so that with every moment, you learn from the mistakes of the previous generation, and try to be better then ever before !!.. with every subsequent generation you get to learn more and more !

and more…

It is God that gives Life and Death, and God sees well all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 3:156)”

“Then shall anyone who has done an atom’s weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom’s weight of evil, shall see it. (The Noble Quran, 99:7-8)”

“And fear the Day when ye shall be brought back to God. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and none shall be dealt with unjustly. (The Noble Quran, 2:281)”
Ibn E Aadam Hay people Allah was a tribal moon god from centuries before Muhammad.He was the guide in travel in desert and help in prosperity and helper in war.He was worshiped in Maccah. The study of mythology tells us about details of Arab gods.But you people were talking about death.Humans will control death soon.One hundred fifty limit will be crossed whithen meddle of this century,scientists claim.After that era of cloning will start which will will unlimited life.So men,get prepared fpr era pf man.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “Hay people Allah was a tribal moon god from centuries before Muhammad.”

Allah very clearly explained above so there is no point of blabbering my friend. So do not force me to accept what you want me to. what i think about God is well explained. when you stop thinking logically, stubbornness begins.

Humans will control death… 

if Humans will control death again 50,50 chance !.. what if they could’t ?? .. will you still die without hvg faith in GOD and risk your life ??

why won’t humans will kill each other by engaging into a third world war of NUKES ?? again 50, 50 ?? .. 

what if they kill most of each other and remaining ones again have to start a new JOURNEY OF SCIENCE right from the begining ??

what if before the conquest of death, some distant meteor hits earth and destroyed almost all of it ??

what if before that conquest, the global warming goes to alarming level and ameria and europe goes under water?

????????? taking 50,50 chances?? is worth it ? .. a 0.0000000000000005 % chance of death’s conquest verses 100% guarantee of God’s forgiveness if you keep faith and act upon his will??????
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui ————–

Well Lets apply the maths of probability.. 

50% chance world war 3 will happen, 50% chance it will not !!
50% chance global warming will destroy, 50% chance it will not !
50% chance some meteor will hit, 50% it will not
50% chance ozone destroy and oxygen leaks, 50% chance it will not..
…………. a thousands of possibilities…..

what about the chances of having all these events happening sequentially???

what will be the chances of survival ???

………

(Did’t the great Alexnder destroyed??… didt the great romans and persions vanished keepin such dreams?.. did’t great chineese dynasities vanished???…………………………………??? didt the 2 world war happened in modern age)??? arent wars happening right now ???? in modern world?????
Ibn E Aadam Man,you say you dont want to believe what we are trying to make you whereas we are telling you facts and calculations of scientific study.You speaking of fifty fifty concepts but we are telling you what is hundred percent happening.What future holds for mankind,no religious book can predict and never could.And I am sorry to inform you all stories of Gods creating a world and mankind on earth narrated in our holy books have been taken from those stories which were told in the clay tablets of Sumerian Civilization more than six thousand years ago.According to the calculations of holy books,our world was created by God nearly six thousand years before.The clay tablets were written seven thousand years before.The Sumerian civilization was destroyed and these clay tablets were discovered in 1830 and their language had been deciphered by German archealogists and the whole system of religious thought and development had been brought to light.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Facts and Calculations of Scientific Study.. 

Even the scientists are divided into groups, one who consider the universe a beautiful work of God and others who does’t. Therefore your self-assumption that science is leading you some where is invalid ! Science may also lead you towards God.

“According to a survey of members of the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center in May and June this year, a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/24/opinion/la-oe-masci24-2009nov24

The 50/50 Concept is taken from the one of the most ancient and proven field of Mathematics ! So it is also from science !

You aren’t telling you with 100% ! you are just dreaming of some thing !.. 

as of 2012, science has not yet produce a intelligent thinking device more intelligent then a worm ! 

“Moravec’s Paradox. “It is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old [human] when it comes to perception and mobility,” roboticist Hans Moravec wrote in 1988.”
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120628-can-we-create-intelligent-robots/2

articles.latimes.com

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Ibn E Aadam No religious scientist has proved this is God and this happening of creation of universe.THE SCIENTISTS HAVE PROVED HOW IT HAPPENED IN GOD PARTICLE EXPERIMENT A FEW MONTHS AGO.A bigger experiment is yet in the offing and there is no God working on them.All humans believing in human mind and universe.And mr Ammar do not bring irrelavent topics for discussion.If you are so much in love with God no one is stopping you but do not stop others from the path of Logic and science.Thank you very much.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui What future hold for mankind.. 

Ever since scientists proved the Big Bang to be the most plausible cosmological theory, and since it only focused more on how it might have all began, their attention started to shift to how the Universe would end. Thus, all 4 theories mentioned above (Big Crunch, Big Freeze, etc.) are actually offshoots of the Big Bang.

The Big Crunch predicts that, after having expanded to its maximum size, the Universe will finally collapse into itself to form the greatest black hole ever.

On the opposite side of the coin, the Big Freeze foretells of a universe that will continue to stretch forever, distributing heat evenly in the process until none is left to be usable enough. Hence, it is also known as the Heat Death.

A more dramatic version of the Big Freeze is the Big Rip. In this scenario, the Universe’s rate of expansion will increase substantially so that everything in it, down to the smallest atom, will be ripped apart.
In a cyclic or oscillatory model of the Universe, there will be no end … for matter and energy, that is. But for us and the Universe that we know of, there will definitely be a conclusion. In an oscillatory model, the Big Bang and Big Crunch form a pair known as the Big Bounce. Essentially, such a universe would simply expand and contract (or bounce) forever.
For astronomers to determine what the ultimate fate of the Universe should be, they would need to know certain information. Its density is supposedly one of the most telling.
You see, if its density is found to be less than the critical density, then only a Big Freeze or a Big Rip would be possible. On the other hand, if it is greater than the said critical value, then a Big Crunch or Big Bounce would most likely ensue.

The most accurate measurements on the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR), which is also the most persuasive evidence of the Big Bang, shows a universe having a density virtually equal to the critical density. The measurements also exhibit the characteristics of a flat universe. Right now, it looks like all gathered data indicate that a Big Crunch or a Big Bounce is highly unlikely to occur.
To render finality to these findings however, scientists will need to know the exact behavior of dark energy. Is its strength increasing? Is it diminishing? Is it constant? Only by answering these will they know the ultimate fate of the Universe.

CONCLUSION: Science not Sure…. 

but RELIGION VERY MUCH SURE !!

“We created not the heavens and the earth and all that is between them except with Truth and for an appointed term. But those who disbelieve turn away from that whereof they are warned.”

Holy Quran (46:3)

Verily in this is a Message for any that has a heart and understanding, or who gives ear and earnestly witnesses (the Truth). . . And listen for the Day when the Caller will call out from a place quite near. The Day when they will hear a (mighty) Blast in Truth: That will be the Day of Resurrection.

Qur’an 50.37-42

And on the day when the Hour riseth the guilty will vow that they did tarry, but an hour – Thus were they ever deceived. But those to whom knowledge and faith are given will say: “The truth is, ye have tarried, by Allah’s decree, until the Day of Resurrection. This is the Day of Resurrection, but ye used not to know.”

Qur’an 30.55-57

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/37105/fate-of-the-universe/#ixzz2EQ28lXXb

www.universetoday.com

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Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Ib-e-Adam.. I am giving refrences and presenting my points. please don’t act like religious conservatives ! let the talk continue. and have faith in the INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR AUDIENCE ! they will decide themselves ! 

PLEASE REFER TO THE REFERENCE WEBSITES, before replying. I am getting impression that you are not paying due attention. the study clearly showed 51% believe in God or Higher power.. HOW CAN YOU DENY ?? are you sleepy?
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “cording to the calculations of holy books,our world was created by God nearly six thousand years before.The clay tablets were written seven thousand years before.The Sumeria….”

I TOLD YOU I HAVE MY OWN BRAIN WORKING !.. PLEASE I KNOW GOD FROM MY LOGICS AND NOT FROM SOME ANCIENT HISTORY.. SO WHY YOU ARE FORCING ME TO BELIEVE IN SOME THING I NEVER BELIVED OR BASED MY UNDERSTANDING UPON ??

MY CONCEPT OF GOD IS BASED ON SCIENCE AND MY OWN UNDERSTANDING. How many times should i repeat ?
Ibn E Aadam Man all religions prove God with stories not logic.If you have right to believe yours I haave mine .The question is prove it though science and logic and not with stories.What you are talking about end of universe it is based upon the Big Bang which scattered the mass all around the the space and which is travelling in shape of galaxies and this is called expansion of universe and it is thought one day this expansion may may bring the mass to zero and universe may become a void again a dark lifeless place.This theory is yet in its primary stages.Even the Theories about the universe are under study and research for example string theory.So brother there is no god working there.There are species who are working to understand and some may have understood the reality.For your information,the earth has contacts with other planets and the disclosure is not been done just due humans extraordinary attachment with creation concepts.Some very important persons of the world know about it and time may come the disclosure may deem necessary You should know that POPE has announced last year that if there is some intelligent species in the heavens earth will welcome them.May be some top Muslim leader have been taken into confidence about it.So brother,study of science is must not be mixed with religion.If you study religion and its cosmological concepts Hinduism will give you a tough time
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Strings Theory… Parallel overlapping universes ! little vibrating Strings !.. solved by 11th dimensional frame work.. by Michu Kaku : ) the ein stien of the 21st centur.. oh.. well New questions for the Atheists to haunt by ; )

1. Why strings vibrate ? where does the energy come from ??
2. How did the overlapping parallel universes started ?
3. where are the begining and ends of the overlapping universes ??
4. what is beyond 12 dimension?
5. can there be another 24th dimensional framework which will suggest that infact its not strings.. but trillion times more smaller then those strings, which are actually the reason behind the vibration of those strings : )

God will always keep Atheists bizy running behnd the scientists ; ) but every Atheist will die eventually ! and visit the grave..

Mankind will never come out of the logics as for every logic it brings about, there would emerge new questions to persue searhching and explaining : )
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “.There are species who are working to understand and some may have understood the reality.For your information,the earth has contacts with other planets and the disclosure is not been done just due humans extraordinary attachment with creation concepts.”

Religion already told with 100% confidence, the existence of species, which will help mankind travel from one black hole to another faster n faster.. and thus reach farthers past of this universe !

SO WHEN SCIENCE TELLS YOU THAT THERE WOULD BE SPECIES : ) you will believe it..

but when Religion more advance then science tells you that there are ANGELS, JINNS, AND DEVILS  you don’t believe : ) !
Ibn E Aadam God has nothing to do axcept to prove humans wrong??? What a God who has no positive work to do about human.
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui My Faith is getting stronger then stronger that its nothing but God’s beautiful work and an examination for every soul to test witness and verify its own self !.. a Mere test who trust and keep Faith in God and who does’t !! 

Religion talked about expanding universe, day of judgement, the end of universe, the another species, the messengers and prophets connecting this world to another, prayers – a way to talk to the supreme divine, Solutions for mankind, asking them to think more of the poor in africa and less of exploration of Mars !.. asking mankind to take more care of their aging parents and lesser of increasing computational power testing Moore’s Law ……….. Religion fouces on the human well being.. and they are using science as a tool to conquer the world.. nothing but a greed of more and more power !.. 

: ) ITS RELIGION MORE ADVANCE THEN SCIENCE !.. Religion already told what science has yet to discover…

How many seconds would you take to say “I believe in a Creator who created every thing so beautifully” ????

its your own ego .. rather then God’s !.. He gave you breaths, heart beats, parents, world, water, fruits, life .. every thing for your pleasure and in returned asks nothing but Faith and Good deeds.. 

its mankind’s ego.. one can still carry on all the good things keep faith.. e.g.

1. no Violence against Women / equal treatment
2. No oppression against week and poor
3. No discrimination amoung mankind !
4. feeding all the poor and hungry men !
5. Education for All !!
6. Good life for every one… 

its not science that can ensure it all.. ITS WILL OF MAN TO DO IT !!!

and Will of MAN is a slave to the ideology in its mind !

SOCIALISM – CAPITALISM – ISLAMIC Balanced SYSTEM (best of the two) …….
Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui United States .. The Country at the zenith of Scientific Development and Worldly Progress.. 

but why 90,000 Rapes each year in the U.S????? 

Does Science has an answer ???? … [well if it had, 90,000 could’t have been in the news]

but Religion does has.. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

en.wikipedia.org

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Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui If that’s the achievement and result of over centuries of scientific advancements 
90,000 Rapes… no wonder they making people atheists or scientists but not MEN !

Strict adherence to Islamic Laws in Saudia Arabia.

Hardly an incident of Rape against woman : ) .. but i think Rape Trauma is Ok for an Atheist but not a faithful loyal and cooperative house wife : )