Did Prophet encouraged child slavery ? – Atheist Muslim Dialogue


Accusation

  • Islam degraded women by giving her only 1/3rd share in the inheritance and thus degraded females
  • Mohammed (pbuh) ordered to enslave the child
  • Mohammed (pbuh) was himself adulterous

[Muslim]

Islam gives twice the share in property : )

Rule of ‘Werasat’ (or Inheritance) 

lets x = the total property of Mr. F

when Mr. F dies his daugher gets 1/3(x) and sons gets 2/3(x)

but the son of another muslim marries this daughter ! He does following

1. Pay Mehr to Her
2. invest 1/2 of 2/3(x) in Business
3. Buy a home from 1/2 of 2/3(x) from Father’s Inheritance to keep her as his Wife and grants her the status of QUEEN of his Home
4. This property becomes the future property of his own sons and daughters who are also the offspring of his WIFE !

he gives her the status of QUEEN as she becomes the mother of his offspring

she becomes the owner/caretake of 1/3(x) + Haq Mehr + 1/2 of 2/3(x) 

becomes equivalent or more then 1/2(x) !

BUT WHY SO INDIRECTLY ??

BECAUSE ISLAM WANTS TO


1. Ensure the Rights of Her 
2. Ensure the FAMILY system
3. Ensure the infants enjoys both fatherly and motherly love until they grow up 
4. To bind wife and husband together



: )

[Muslim]

Sir Zulfiqar Tareen i wonder how can you post such thing ; ) which is not even logical..


What if a girl and boy fall in love at the age of 19.. then girls get pregnant and after 1 year of loveful relationship.. boys breaks up and go for another girl.. this girl is now left with a infant baby.. she won’t be able to continue her education.. now she will start ignoring the new born infant and instead spend more time outside..
Who will take care of the infant baby ???

[Muslim]

Love is not the answer of every problem !
it is mostly the creator of many problems !
Responsibility is more important then LOVE!
love can turn into lust !
but if responsibility is made a contract binding by the society !
you can ensure good nourishment of a baby!

[Atheist]

ENSLAVING AN INNOCENT CHILD:


Dawud: Book 11, Number 2126: Narrated Basrah:

“A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: She will get the dowery, for she made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn Abu Sari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on her.”

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This is the extreme of retardness. Muhammad made that child a slave for the rest of his life before he was even born. He was punished for being conceived out of wedlock. Though it was not his fault, but he was made to pay anyway, not to mention the humiliation he would face being called bastard for the rest of his life.

This punishment was decided by the man who had a harem full of women including 11 wives, slave girls, concubines and the girls who offered themselves to him as HIBA. A total of 22 women according to the book “ 23 years”, written by the famous Iranian auther Ali dashti. Some sources put the number as high as 37. think critically.

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[Muslim]

The woman should receive punishment for


1. Charge of Adultry: A Serious problem against the Family System of Islam !
2. Cheating and Deception: Not bringing into notice of the person she was going to married 
3. Injustice: Putting the responsibility of some other bastard man over this pious man !! the man who married her by thinking her a pious woman, did not deserve to pay the expenses of this illegitamte child ! this was injustice on his behalf.


“The child will be your slave” means the child will be yours (Slave here does’t mean literal slave but as under your command)

How would you have reacted if you had found your wife pregnant on the day of your marriage ??

If the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) had not ask him to take child as his property would else you expected?

1. Send him to boarding school ??
2. Force this innocent man to accept this child legally? only to make this child a victim of his hatred through out his life??
3. Ask him to kick the child away or throw him on the road side, only to be left alone and die of thirst and hunger??
5. Give the child to some one else without 100% guarantee of his care ??


Here the ‘Slave’ means “take him as your responsibility!”

But what if take ‘Slave’ as literally!

LET SEE IF ITS REALLY A SLAVERY ???

TRUTH REGARDING SLAVES from the sayings of Prophet Mohammed pbuh himself…


DON’T CALL THEM SLAVES INSTEAD GIVE THEM STATUS OF RELATIVES

Not one of you should [ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ or ‘my brother’.
Source: Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4

WORKLOAD OF A MAID NOT OF A SLAVE

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “The slave has his food and clothing. Do not burden a slave with work which he is incapable of doing.”

A women maind/slave who can not cook for more then 1 hour per day, could’t be asked to make additional tea !

DO YOU CONSULT WORKLOAD WITH YOUR SERVANTS OR MAID .. and ask them if they can do it or not.. you try to match work with their capabilities

· Sallam ibn ‘Amr reported from one of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “Your slaves are your brothers, so treat him well. Ask for their help in what is too much for you and help them in what is too much for them.

SLAVE WEARING AND EATING THE SAME AS THAT OF MASTER !.. is it really a slave or some high-class home maid with high salary ??

Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah said, “The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, ‘Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.’ “

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188

IS SLAVE THAT IMPORTANT THAT MOHAMMED WARNING PEOPLE TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM WHILE ON DEAD BED??

Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: “The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! ” (i.e.. if you didt treat them well ALLAH will not forgive your sins and hell will be your destiny)

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.

SLAVES OR ACTUALLY NORMAL CITIZENS (MAIDS/SERVENTS) ???

“The masters were obliged not to put slaves under hardship; slaves were not to be tortured, abused or treated unjustly. They could marry among “themselves with their master’s permission – or with free men or women ! They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Many of them were appointed as governors, commanders of army and administrators. In the eyes of Islam, a pious slave has precedence over “an impious free man.”

Source: Al-Tabataba’i, Tafsir ( vol.16, pp. 338-358 )

so it is very clear that in ISLAM SLAVE IS NOT INFACT A SLAVE
But a brother, a sister, a daughter, with same diet and same dress, little work load, marry freely, work freely, can do politics, can join army, and has equal oppertunities..”

then why to call them ‘SLAVE’ ?? well.. i guess a clever way of Mohammed (pbuh) to gradually revive the status of Slaves and bring them into mainstream course of life.

BUT STILL.. ONE COULD HAVE SEX WITH HIS SLAVE GIRL.. (yes that was there but with an explanation)

The allocation of slave girls was a issue of the times to envelope the woman taken as slaves in a war into the Islamic society. Prostitution and adultery do not have any responsibility attached to it. The man- woman have a one-off relationship and depart. The slave girls were a responsibility of the person, who spent on them, gave them a place to live, fed them, clothed them, and raised their children as his children.

QUESTION: MASTER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHILD BORN ??

The children from adultery and prostitution are regarded as born out of wedlock and grow up without the name and without the shadow of a father. The children of the slave girls were known as the children of the person, grew up with his other children, and had exactly the same rights and inheritance as the other offspring. The system of slave girls was accepted and respected by the Islamic society of the times. The slave girl was treated like his wife, and the children from these slave girls were treated like their children by society. No religion, no state, no moral society accepts and respects the institutions of prostitution and adultery. This is a disease of society and every moral society has tried to eradicate this disease with little success.

PRACTICALLY, ONLY THE NAME OF ‘SLAVE’ WAS THERE, BUT IN CONCEPT THEY WERE LIKE OTHER CITIZEN.

Source: 
http://islamicresponse.blogspot.com/2011/06/islam-on-slave-girlsconcubines.html

[Muslim]

Zulfiqar Tareen Response awaited.. Either have moral courage to accept that your accusation was wrong, or you should simple engage in a talk and tell me where do you contradict.

[Atheist]

muhammad himself committed adultry many many times. he had sex with the girls captured after the battle. he had sex with mariya when he went to visit hafsa binte omar and found out that she had gone to see her dad. he immediately proceeded to have sex with her maid mariya. hafsa came back in time to see muhammad and mariya in her own bed.

[Muslim]

The girls captured from the war .. those who came to fight along with men or supported them !..

and not by entering some one house and doing rapes !!

Slaves or war captives has been remained a tool to defeat enemy in ancient times. just like you keep your Prisoners or Wars in your Jails !

this is my immediate response.

in the light of my previous experience with your arguments, i am 100% sure that this time it will also be fabricated or twirsted. Let me do a little research, before people start bombarding, and give you a proper reply.

wait a minute. Sir.

Let see who was Maria ?

Maria is mentioned with detail in Martin Lings Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources. Martin Lings is known as Abu-Bakar Sirajuddin as he converted to Islam. 

According to the Biography:


Muhammad sent a letter to Muqawqis, summoning him to Islam, was answered evasively; but with his answer the ruler of Egypt sent a rich present of a thousand measures of gold, twenty robes of fine cloth, a mule, a she-ass and, as the crown of the gift, two Coptic Christian slave girls escorted by an elderly eunuch. The girls were sisters, Mariyah and Sirin, and both were beautiful, but Mariyah was exceptionally so, and the Prophet marvelled at her beauty. He gave Sirin to Hassan ibn Thabit, and lodged Mariyah in the nearby house where Safiyyah had lived before.
—Abu Bakar Sirajuddin, Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources, LXXI/277-278

Points to be noted

Maria was sent by the Emperor of Egypt as a good will gesture to the Mohammed to be taken as Wife or as he may like ! Maria herself came to be with Muhammad. She was not escorted by a thousand men guarding her ! she could have ran away while her journey from Egypt to Arabia. She knew she was going to be a wife of mohammed and therefore she was agreed and happy !

Muhammad lived in a mud-brick dwelling next to the Medina mosque, and each of his wives had her own mud-brick room, built in a line next to his. Maria, however, was lodged in a house on the edge of Medina. Maria is also not listed as a wife in one of the earliest sources, such as Ibn Hisham’s notes on Ibn Ishaq’s Sira.[6] Muslim sources are unanimous in saying that she was accorded the same honor and respect given Muhammad’s wives, pointing out that she was given the same title as Muhammad’s wives – “Mother of the Believers.”

[Atheist]

O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriya — when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — by saying, ‘She is unlawful for me!’, seeking, by making her unlawful [for you], to please your wives? And God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition. (www.altafsir.com).sura 66:01-05, the website is approved by al-azhar university. think critically,
zulfiqar tareen, a friend of all, enemy of none.

Message to muslim brothers and sisters: (www.altfsir.com)


Once, muhammad went to visit one of his his wives, hafsa bint omar, who was not at home as she was visiting her dad, he found her Coptic maid maria alone and mmediately proceeded to have sex with her. Hafsa returned in time to find both of them together in her own bed.
Muhammad promised Hafsa that he would not repeat it and asked her not to tell anyone about it. But she did. All the women of his harem rebelled against him. He immediately produced suras 66:1-5 to scare them with the punishment in hell and bring them into line.

[Muslim]

Maria and Muhammad had one son, Ibrahim who was named after the prophet Ibrahim (Muhammad’s paternal greatest-grandfather). The boy died when he was sixteen months old. Muhammad was much aggrieved by the loss of his beloved son.

Sir you have landed at the wrong tafsir website ! i dont know whos running this !… i m responsible for my clarification ! ..

Please confirm from here

Source: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya

The coptic maid .. was not maid but a gift send from Emperor of Egypt and she was not working there she had the status of a Prophet’s wife.. it was all legitimate for a man to have sex with his wife any where and any time ! : )

[Muslim]

Sir it just take 1 min to cut copy paste from your arsenal !

and it just takes 10 minutes to Google sincerely and get the truth !

Please do not go for easy Lie !
Go for Hard Truth !

Good rewards are hidden in hard work and sincerity !

Ammar

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Allegation

Islam is very clear that sex outside marriage is a serious crime,but even prophet had some women not married to him but had sex with them.this rule does not apply to slaves.so slave women are ok for you for sex in addition to 4 wives you are legally entitled.Not a very equal treatment for slaves.You have your own dictionary for words & slaves for you do not mean what it means to every body.No answer to this if you say day means night.

Response

You approach a woman ! ask her to be your girl firend.. then you have sex .. and then you break up

A SERIOUS CRIME !

Exception when

you engage into a war with a tribe whose MEN and WOMEN FIGHT ALONG WITH MEN and you capture THESE FEMALE SOLDIERS 
b) you engage into a war and as an outcome of the war, the men of the enemy tribes are killed (man vs man fight) and their women are LEFT WITH NO FINANCIAL SUPPORT ! Neither they can be left alone in the DESERTS nor they can live as ‘singles’ in primitive society of arab deserts !

THEN IT BECOMES THE DECISION OF THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY

1. Either to marry those women (if they think the previous offenses of that tribes were toleratable)
2. Either to take them as slaves (if they think the previous offenses of these tribes as a whole requires serious punishment so as to make war and betrayal lesser an option for other tribes)
3. Free them (if they have other relatives or people to take care of)

BUT THE ENCOURAGEMENT AND TEACHING WILL BE TO BE MORE MERCIFUL IN YOUR DECISIONS

FEMALE IMPRISONMENT IN JAIL (AAFIA SIDDIQUI) IS THE CENTURY 2000 ‘JUSTICE’

FEMALE COCUBINES WAS THE JUSTICE OF 1400TH CENTURY

Warning to American and NATO Female Soldiers

YOU WILL BE CAPTURED AS COCUBINES AND SLAVES IF YOU DARE PARTICIPATE IN OUR MEN VS MEN WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO RUN THE AFFAIRS OF FAMILY, GET EDUCATION AND TEACH YOUR KIDS AND MAKE THEM NOBLE CIVILLIANS OF YOUR SOCIETY.

But since mostly we chose to be merciful, WE CHOSE TO SET ‘IVONYE RIDDLY’ FREE !

She was spotted two days later, on 28 September, after slipping across the border by local people who pointed her out to security forces, who took her to Jalalabad for further investigation on possible espionage charges, that carried the death penalty. Shortly before, the Taliban had asked all foreigners to leave the country and had said they would not issue visas to journalists. They threatened that anyone found using a satellite phone would be executed

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Ridley

Please free our Aafia Siddiqui which you have put into JAIL ! and your jail wardon make sex with her every day

“Speaking about the reports of Aafia’s alleged pregnancy, she said that her family was told about it after the Pakistani scientist showed some symptoms in the women jail.”

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/national/22-Jan-2012/aafia-siddiqui-contracts-cancer-in-us-jail

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