Shia Muslims or Non Muslims – A shia sunni debate !


A Question for All..

How many sunni mosques are there in IRAN ?

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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “The 20-million strong Sunnis are the largest minority accounting for 35 percent of the 70 million Iranian population. In fact, the number of Sunnis is much higher than the official figures. However, they are economically poor, less educated and live far away from the capital city. Hated by the Shiite majority, the Sunni districts are neglected — they lack utilities, basic amenities and other essential services. Sunnis are even denied the right to build mosques or religious schools. Building a Sunni school or a religious madrasa is considered an unpardonable crime. Existing Sunni mosques are subjected to close monitoring. Many of them were demolished on the pretext that they were built for purposes other than worshipping or without a specific license needed for a mosque. Some times a mosque is demolished on the pretext that its imam has foreign allegiance.”

    Source: http://www.iranianminorities.org/2012/05/sunnis-in-iran-under-persian-arrogance.html

  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “Large cities such as Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz do not have even a single Sunni mosque. The official explanation is that Sunnis can pray at Shiite mosques and it will promote unity among them (although a truth, in this context it is a falsehood.)”
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  • Haseeb Khan very good point raised brother ! Jazak Allah Khair,
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  • Salman Rais We caanot allow shiat’s to pray with us. Think why?
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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Hum hi hen baoley jo dunya bhar ka gund apney yahan pal rahy hen.. 
    halankey jis iran key inqalab ki ye shia hazrat tareef karty naheen thaktey.. vahan koi sunni apni masjid tak naheen bana sakta !
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Salman Rais .. because we want our prayers to get accepted by ALLAH D:
  • Talhah Tarique so the Sunni;s follow the SUNNI Allah? and the shia’s the Shia’s ALLAH? lol
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Sunni follow a Sunni ALLAH who does not mistake in choosing companions for his final prophet 1
  • Talhah Tarique Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui – extremely sorry – but the so called SUNNI ALLAH you are referring to is non-existent kx HE”S NEITHER SUNNI NOR SHIA! CORRECT YOUR FACTS please
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui I think you are trying to be a smarty whose basically a confused from the core !
  • Talhah Tarique lol at you – when there is only one ALLAH, and when shia and sunni prostray in front of the same ALLAH – then what diference it makes to the number of mosques?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui I think you have missed Qadiyanis… wana include them too? They also prostray to same ALLAH.. isnt?
  • Talhah Tarique lol – there is united fatwa from all ulema’s ! don’t miss that point!
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui United fatwa ? i think you are talking about the supreme court’s acceptance of that fatwa(s) right..
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Do you know the same fatwas against shias were also presented to the supreme court during the rule of Nawaz Sharif, but he plotted the attack against the supreme court and foiled the effort ?..

    if you are asking about Supreme Court acceptance of Shia Filth.. yeah this milestone has not been achieved so far.

    but if you are talking about FATWA AGAINST SHIAS

    Imam Raza Khan Barelwi fatwa from Fatawa-e-Alamgiria is well known declaring them as Kafirs.
    Deboband and Wahabis have issued thousands of fatwas against them.
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Deobandis, Barelwis, Ahl-e-Sunnas, Wahabis, ahl-e-hadis

    ALL BELIEVE IN IMAM BUKHARI..

    ““I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.”

    iMAM bUKHARI (Khalq Af’aalul-’Ibaad, p.14)
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui now should i LOL at you ?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui pyary lol bhai.. 
    ap ki khizmat main Fatwa ki copy yahan mojood hey

    http://www.schiiten.com/backup/AhlelBayt.com/www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/islam/bukhari-shias.html

    www.schiiten.com

    “I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.”
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Ab ya to ikhlaqi jurrat ka muzahira karty hoye apni ghalat aqeedah ko tasleem kar len 
    ya phir apni daleel pesh karen..
    ya phi shia key taqqiya sey hi kam ley leyn..

    par kuch farma to den.
  • Talhah Tarique as reference to your deobandi and barelvi thing, they call each others kafirs – and they don’t pray in their mosques – un ko hatado
  • Talhah Tarique wahabis – if that was the case then Shia wouldn’t have been allowed in MAKKAH kx makkah main kafir allowed nahi hain
  • Talhah Tarique for the time been in force, Mufti – i -azam is agreed upon Mufti muneeb ur rehman – can you please refer his fatwa on shites?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Regarding Deobandi Barelvi Conflicts, agree with you on some scale. 

    Regarding Wahabis and entry of shia in Mecca, they are simply not following the fatwa of Imam Bukhari. Its their mistake. 

    You are asking fatwa from Mufti Muneeb Ur Rehman when you have been provided fatwa from the IMAMs of all the Imams – Imam Bukhari.
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui to my surprise, PTA has blocked the most valuable resource http://www.kr-hcy.com/shia/kufr.shtmlagainst shias. Let me find alternative, i will make you call them kafir and will prove why their ALLAH is not our ALLAH.

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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Shia hiimself declares that his ALLAH is not our ALLAH !

    001. Neither we accept such Lord nor do we accept the Prophet of such Lord whose Caliph is Abu-Bakr (r.a) (Na’uzubillah). [Anwaar-ul-Na’umania, Vol#2, Pg#278 – Published Iran]
  • Talhah Tarique imaa’m bukhari came 200 years after the Prophet! So please refer to me from the QURAN an ayat stating Shia’s as KAFIR
  • Talhah Tarique Sir your proves will make me no idfferent to be honest about it!
    the world is planning to develop 5G and people like some of you are still bothered enough of calling each others KAFIRS!
    PLease grow up of this shit
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui why to keep imam bukhari aside ? and what 200 years have to do with his rejection ?

    He compiled the biggest collection from Ahadith and from which the fiqh of ahl-sunnah is formed.

    btw are you a sunni or shia ?
  • Talhah Tarique secondly; IF it’s mentioned in the QURAN – COOL! THAT’S THE ONLY SOURCE!
  • Talhah Tarique I am just a MUSLIM! neither a shia neither a sunni! so please! and i am against the sects as the Quran says – do not divide in yourselves in the sect but follow the book!
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui you can not blame me about 5G as i am a embedded systems designer and work in the top R&D organization of Pakistan. so i will disapprove it. i got B.E in computers engg and MBA in mktg as well. therefore i have the right to talk about the religion.

    so you are rejecting hadith .. i really wonder how do you offer your prayer.. and what style of prayer do you follow.
  • Talhah Tarique if you are referrring to ima’m bukhari sir, please go and read the two chapters from the Sahi ahadiths – the chapter of Wudu and menstruation! and then we shall talk about it!
  • Talhah Tarique honestly, my prayer style and my prayer way would not make an impact on your believe! neither does yours! I pray for ALLAH and HE is the one to listen to me! IF the way was so much important to HIM, that if you don’t pray in this particular way, your NAMAZ won’t be accepted, then HE would have mentioned that in the Quran = He didn’t. why? kx He said, You are obliged to Pray – and then the Time of the PROPHET has shown variations in the way HE prayed – but never objected to any. and today, these stupid people are fighting on the way to offer the prayer!
  • Talhah Tarique as far as you have done your thing in the worldly acts, congratulations and it’s good to hear that from your side. for what you are referring to as your right to speak on the religion – then please refer to me the Quranic verses – where there are no conflicts at all between any of the sects!
  • Talhah Tarique Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui and since, you are embedded designer, can you please tell me, that do you have an idea of the Mobile company artitecture? the infrastructure? i need some assistance in that/
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Let me reply one by one. you have opened many arenas into the discussion. have patience.
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  • Talhah Tarique and it shall go on and on and on and on…… never ending!
    I will never call any sect a KAFIR until there entry is banned in MAKKA! that is my point! simple! you cannot convince me further on this – neither i will try to convince you any further on this. 
    You have to answer your LORD and i have to answer mine. 
    JazakAllah khair
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “the world is planning to develop 5G and people like some of you are still bothered enough of calling each others KAFIRS!”

    Response
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    Since the Revolution in IRAN was brought by Khomeini and we have his famous saying on record

    “When imam Mehdi comes he will make alive Hazrat Aa’ishah from death and whip her. “
    (Tafseer saafi, line 16, page #108)”

    When imam Mehdi comes he will hang Hazrat Abu Bakr and Umar at the holy grave of . 
    (Majma-ul-ma’arif, page #49)

    Therefore we are trying to RESIST THESE morons from coming into the power and that is why you hear much fuss about ‘SHIA KAFIR’.
  • Talhah Tarique Power ALLAH ki dain hai and so is IZZAT as per QURAN – do you agree?
  • Talhah Tarique and FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH AND IT WILL – as per the Quran. right?
  • Talhah Tarique then why give a shit to them sir je?
  • Talhah Tarique all we should be focused upon is to make our selves THE SADIQ and tTHE AMEEN and then comes the ISLAM – that is my point! … kisi ko KAFIR kah dainay say maslay agar hal hotay, tou jo kafir hain, un kafirun ko kafir kahnay say kia farq para? they embedded this seed in us, and are enjoying around!
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui I am just a MUSLIM! neither a shia neither a sunni! so please! and i am against the sects as the Quran says – do not divide in yourselves in the sect but follow the book!
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    IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM AND YOU BELIEVE THAT QURAN IS A WORD OF GOD, THEN ARE THOSE ALSO MUSLIMS WHO THINK PRESENT QURAN IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD ?

    When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran. 
    (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page #336, safdar Husain najfi)

    The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses). 
    (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).

    SHIAS BELIEVE IN ‘TEHREEF UL QURAN’ that Quran is altered by Omer and Abu Bakkar and real Quran is with their brand of Mahdi.

    WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ?
    IS BELIEVER IN QURAN AND A DISBELIEVER IN QURAN BOTH SAME ?
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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Talha… try to sum up your responses into as less messages as possible. secondly let me first reply to your previous comments with references. have patience. i will handover control of communication to you. please wait till i complete.
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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui “honestly, my prayer style and my prayer way would not make an impact on your believe! neither does yours! “

    ” your NAMAZ won’t be accepted, then HE would have mentioned that in the Quran = He didn’t. why? kx He said, You are obliged to Pray – and then the Time of the PROPHET has shown variations in the way HE prayed”
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    ALLAH SAYS OBEY MESSENGER

    Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger’s duty to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner. (5: 92).

    AND THE MESSENGER PBUH SAYS..

    (a) Al-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Raafi’ and others that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.’” Abu ‘Eesaa said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. (See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Shaakir edition, no. 2663).

    FOLLOW THE PATH OF SAHABA R.A. 

    And when it is said unto them (Kuffars): Believe as these people [Sahabah {R.A}] believe; they say: “Shall we believe as these foolish believe? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. {Surah Al-Baqarah, Ayah#13}

    Therefore FOLLOWING QURAN IS NOT ENOUGH 
    FOLLOWING THE ORDERS OF MOHAMMED PBUH IS AS IMPORTANT AS QURAN
    AND FOLLOWING THE WAY OF SAHABA R.A. IS AS IMPORTANT AS OBEYING PROPHET MOHAMMED PBUH

    BECHASE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IS ALL LINKED UP.
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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui these stupid people are fighting on the way to offer the prayer!…
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    This is war of arguments not war of bullets. 
    if the democrates and republicans have the right to engage into a war of arguments
    the shafaes hanafis wahabis sunnis deobandis.. have the right TO ARGUE ABOUT THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRAYER METHOD.

    ITS POSITIVE CRITICISM AND IT SHOULD BE. 
    No one has killed other for not following a particular way of Prayer

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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui THE CASE OF BLOODY SHIA IS DIFFERENT

    SHIA IS THE BLOODIEST KAFIR BECAUSE HE SIMPLY DENY THE QURAN 
    THE VERY SAME BOOK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT !!!

    The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses). 
    (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382). 

    When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran. 
    (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page #336, safdar Husain najfi).

    The person who says that the present Quran is complete is a liar because the “complete Quran” was compiled by Hazrat Ali. (Fasl-ul-khitaab fee tahreef kitaab rab-ul- arbab, page #4, Noori Tibri)

    WHATS THE POINT OF UNITY WHEN THEY DONT BELIEVE IN QURAN AS THE BOOK OF GOD ?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui your turn. dont open new arenas.. firsrt answer to my response. one by one. the way i did
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Tell me after rejecting hadith and sects.. now you also want to REJECT QURAN AS THE POINT OF UNITY.. and want to say that believe in ALLAH IS OK.. NO NEED TO BELIEVE IN QURAN ??
  • Talhah Tarique For the books you have referred about the shiasm, please be informed just as there are different sects in the sunnism, there are in the shaism. the one that you are referring to are the extreme ones – and for what they believe in the Quran and for the references, i will provide you over the passage of time by confirming it from their aalims and muftis…
  • Talhah Tarique As far as your comment on the Prayer method is concerend – there is no objection to praying the shia way or the sunni way … but there are some guidances provided in the ahadiths that you are referrring to that you should be not moving during namaz, and not to see here and there, and concentrate as if you see ALLAH and if you know you don’t then know HE does.
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui They have safe-guarded their shit by innovating the concept of ‘TAQQIya’ Religious Lies
    BECAUSE IN THEIR RELIGION EVEN ALLAH LIES

    Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1).
  • Talhah Tarique As for following the Sahaba’s are concerend – i would agree to on follwoing then as well. 

    But a little calarification for some facts:

    What the Prophet PBUH said and what the Sahaba’s said and what exactly HAS BEEN REACHED TILL YOU is what you have to and you should be trying to realize rather than keeping a blind eye on the provided ahadiths!
  • Talhah Tarique democracy – I am extremely sorry, but I don’t beleive on the democratic system at all … 

    and if for you to mention democracy – let the ULEMA’s argue in a peaceful tone – they don’t call the other KAFIRS aisa he!
  • Talhah Tarique as far as my knowledge and my discussions is concerned – shia’s don’t deny the Quran nor do they say it that the Quran is not complete and that the Quran was altered ever…
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui What exactly has been reached and what was said is JUDGED by a well developed science called 
    ‘ASMA UL RIJJAL’ – The good has already been filtered out from the BAD. Today we exactly know which ahadith are 100% correct, which are weak, which have doubts and which are to be rejected and on what ground.
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  • Talhah Tarique for what you say at the rejection of ahadith and the sect, I will clarify my point of view for you

    I reject the sects. i don’t reject the Ahadiths – but yes, the way they have reached till us., is what i have doubts upon and serious doubts
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui REGARDING THE SHIA’S DENIAL OF THE QURAN

    MY OPEN CHALLENGE
    “NOT A SINGLE SHIA ON EARTH CAN DENY THAT USOOL KAAFI IS NOT ONE OF HIS MOST AUTHENTIC BOOK”

    A comparison between the present Quran and the original Quran (which was compiled by Imam Ali (r.a) and will be brought by Imam Mahdi (Shia’s 12th Imam) when he appears before the Day of Judgment. 
    (Usool Kaafi, Vol. 2, p. 123)
  • Talhah Tarique for the method you are referring at, ASMA UL RIJJAL – please be open to this argument – Ima’m bukhari, and others collected it – and they have compiled it – but what exact amendments have been made since then till today – no body can prove that at all!

    Please refer to me a website on SAHIH ahadiths and I shall quote you the reference of those Ahadiths!
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui OTHER REFRENCES

    – The Quran has been purposely altered by the drunkard Caliphs {Abu-Bakr (r.a), Umar (r.a) and Usman (r.a)}; The present Quran is false; It’s the duty of Imam Mehdi (Shia’s 12th Imam) to bring it in its original form; When Imam Mahdi comes, then the Quran will be recited in its original form. (Quran Translation by Maqbool Hussain Delhvi, Chap.12, p. 384 & p.479 – Published in India)

    – Original Quran will not be known until the manifestation of Imam Mahdi (Shia’s 12th Imam). (Anwaar-ul-Na’umania, Vol. 2, p. 360 – Published in Iran)

    – The present Quran is abridged whereas the Original Quran is kept by Imam Mahdi.” (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, p. 553)

    – No one possesses complete knowledge of the Quran except the Imams. (Usool Kaafi, Vol. 1, p. 228)

    – After the death of Holy Prophet (s.a.w), the original Quran was in the custody of Ali (r.a) and he brought it to Abu-Bakr (r.a), but Abu Bakr refused to allow this original version. That is why Muslim Ummah was deprived of original Quran. (Sheikh-e-Saqifah, p. 138 – Published in Pakistan)

    – Shaikhain (Abu Bakr & Omar) refused to accept the Quran which was compiled by Ali (r.a). (Fasal-ul-Khitab, p. 64)

    – The Quran descended (was revealed) in four parts, whereas present Quran consists of three parts. (Shia Aur Tehreef-e-Quran, p. 62)

    – The present Quran is in an altered, corrupted and distorted form.. (Fatuhat-e-Shia, p. 129)

    – Usman (r.a) made alteration in Surah Al-Rahman by eliminating words “MINKUM”. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, p. 525 – Published in Iran)

    – The statement “ILAA AJALIN-MUSAMMA” has been removed from the Quran.” (Muta’h Aur Salahuddin A’ybi, p. 60 – Published in Pakistan)

    – The present Quran doesn’t mention the name of “Pakistan”; however, our (Shia’s) true Quran contains the name of “Pakistan”. (Hazar Tumhari Das Hamari, p. 554 – Published in Pakistan)
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui SECOND CHALLENGE:

    BRING ME ANY SHIA WHO REJECT ‘USOOL KAFI’ AS THE SOURCE OF HIS RELIGION

    1. Muhammad ibn Ya’qub al-Kulaini on the authority of Jabir that he heard Abu Ja’far saying: “Whoever claims from amongst the people that he has collected the entire Qur’an as Allah has revealed it is a liar. Only ‘Ali and the Imams after him had collected it and memorized it as Allah had revealed it.” (Usul al-Kafi, Chapter that the Qur’an was not entirely collected except by the Imams, and they only have all knowledge)
  • Talhah Tarique Ironically we find Mr. Mulla Baqir Majlisi stating in his commentary on al-Kafi, named Mir’at al-‘Uqul, that 9,485 out of the 16,121 narrations in al-Kafi are unreliable! Now here we reach two conclusions, either Imam Qaem made a mistake to authenticate a book, 60% of whose contents would later be discovered to be unreliable or Mr. Mulla Baqir Majlisi (the most reliable and respected Shia Scholars ever existed) did not know what he was talking about.
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui So you mean the more the bomb blasts on these assholes, the more they will correct themselves?
  • Talhah Tarique there own Ulema is refering to the same book as not authentic and this is not recently btw\
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui So what they believe today will become unauthentic tomorrow?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui so while they disbelief and are distorting and playing with religion, one must sit idle and let the generations over generations rot in hell ?
  • Talhah Tarique Muhammad Baqir Majlesi, (1616–1698 AD) (Persian: علامه مجلسی Allameh Majlesi; also Romanized as: Majlesi, Majlessi, Majlisi, Madjlessi) known as Allamah Majlesi or Majlesi-ye Thani (Majlesi the Second), was a renowned and very powerful Iranian Twelver Shi’a cleric, during the Safavid era. He has been described as “one of the most powerful and influential Shi’a ulema of all time,” whose “policies and actions reoriented Twelver Shia’ism in the direction that it was to develop from his day on.”[1]
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Can you provide me which particular book they have compiled completely as authentic today?
  • Talhah Tarique you are not responsible for any generattion except your very own! and if ALLAH had wanted us to be bothered about the believes of others, HE would have mentioned it in the QURAN
    Btw, can you please refer to me a sahih ahadith website?
  • Talhah Tarique i am not sure about the version available on line is authentic or not, but this is the most authentic book for them
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Olright.. so any tom dick and harry comes and play with the religion and we should let them do?
    Do you want the constitution of pakistan to be played the same way ?
  • Talhah Tarique * Pakistan – it means nothing to me ! ALL THE LAND BELONGS TO ALLAH _
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Oh Com on .. NO NAHJUL BALAGHA.. 

    “Al Shareef did not collect Nahjul balagha to make it a book of Fiqh/Jurisprudence or a book to extract rulings from, But His aim was to reveal to the people a sample from the speech of Ameer al mumineen and to show the rare eloquence and the wonders of Arabic tongue and its jewels, This is why he never mentioned any Asanid or even sources unless very rarely” Source: [Masadir Nahjul balagha wa Asaniduhu/ Abdul Zahra al Khateeb page 27]
  • Talhah Tarique these are the Ahadiths of Hazrat Ali. (R.A)
  • Talhah Tarique The Nahj al-Balagha (Arabic: نهج البلاغة Nahj ul-Balāghah, Arabic pronunciation: [nahdʒ ul bæˈlæːɣæ]; “Peak of Eloquence”) is the most famous collection of sermons, letters, tafsirs and narrations attributed to Ali, cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad. It was collected by Sharif Razi, a Shi’i scholar in the tenth century[1] Known for its eloquent content, it is considered a masterpiece of literature in Shi’a Islam, third only to the Qur’an and Prophetic narrations.
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Dodging a question is dishonesty to yourself.

    EVERY STATE, ORGANIZATION, INSTITUTE HAS A CHARTER, CONSTIUTION, SET OF RULES OR GUIDELINES WHICH THEY DEFEND AND PRESERVES FROM EXTERNAL AGGRESSION AND CORRUPTION.

    I REALLY WONDER WHY QURAN AND SUNNAH HAS BECOME SUCH LESS OF IMPORTANCE FOR YOU THAT YOU WANT ANY TOM DICK AND HARRY TO COME PLAY WITH IT
  • Talhah Tarique can you please refer me the sahih ahadith website?
  • Talhah Tarique Quran says: We take the responsiblity of protecting the book ‘ 

    And When Allah said this, how can you even think that TOM DICK and HArry can come and play with something that ALLAH PROMISED TO SAFEGUARD ? wow
  • Talhah Tarique and if you associate yourselve with sunnism, then kindly, first go and see the tom dick and harry’s in the sects of sunnism, us kay baad stand up and comment on shaism. pahlay apna andar ka ghar tou saaf karlo?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui HOW DO SHIA COMMENT ON THE AUTHENTICITY AND THE NARRATORS OF THE STORIES IN IT 

    “[ ان الشريف لم يجمع النهج لجعل منه مصدراً من مصادر الفقه ، او مدركاً من مدارك الاحكام ، بل كان جل قصده ان يخرج للناس جانباً من كلام امير المؤمنين الذي يتضمن من

    عجائب البلاغة ، وغرائب الفصاحة ، وجواهر العربية ، وثواقب الكلم الدينية والدنيوية ما لا يوجد مجتمعاً في كلام ولا مجموع الاطراف في كتاب ، لذا تراه لم يذكر الاسانيد ، ولم

    يتعرض للمصادر الا فيما ندر ]
    [ مصادر نهج البلاغة واسانيده / عبد الزهراء الخطيب ص 27 ]

    “Al Shareef did not collect Nahjul balagha to make it a book of Fiqh/Jurisprudence or a book to extract rulings from, But His aim was to reveal to the people a sample from the speech of Ameer al mumineen and to show the rare eloquence and the wonders of Arabic tongue and its jewels, This is why he never mentioned any Asanid or even sources unless very rarely” Source: [Masadir Nahjul balagha wa Asaniduhu/ Abdul Zahra al Khateeb page 27]

    [ وعلى هذا فليس بضائر فيما نحن فيه اذا كان فيما ننقله عما جعلناه مصادر للنهج ما يختلف معه اختلافاً يسيراً بزيادة عبارة او نقصان اخرى او اختلاف كلمة او سقوط جزء ]

    [ مصادر نهج البلاغة واسانيده / عبد الزهراء الخطيب ص 26 ]

    “And It’s not harmful in this situation if we return to these sources of the Nahjul Balagha which we specified and if they have a little conflict with what’s in our book by addition of a phrase or deletion of a phrase or having different words or missing parts“

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  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui LOL… THE EMPTYNESS OF NAHAJUL BALAGHA

    …الاطراف في كتاب ، لذا تراه لم يذكر الاساني…
    “This is why he never mentioned any Asanid or even sources unless very rarely” “
  • Talhah Tarique refer me a sahih ahadith website?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui So far
    1. Shia cult is full of rubbish people telling lies and spreading confusion about ISLAM
    2. one scholar barks, generations suffers, and only after dozens of bomb blasts, they repent and issue fatwa and accept that their ancestors made a msitake
    3. OPEN CHALLENGE – Their previous scholars have been spreading false about QURAN and companions of prophet mohammed pbuh
    4. QURAN OPENLY RAISE THE HONOR OF AISHA R.A. THE MOTHER OF THE BELIEVERS, but the shia lies and slander the great wife of prophet mohammed pbuh.
    5. SHIA themselve claim theY DONT believe in ALLAH who made Abu bakkr and Omer the companion of Rasool ul llah saw. the was actual the start of our discussion and unwillingly you have accepted all the references.
  • Talhah Tarique thank you for refering to me point number 4. This reminded me of Bibi Fatima. 
    as far as your knowledge is concerned, as I am still unable to find a clear answer, can you help me out with it?

    When Bibi Fatima passed away before any of the Caliphs, then why is it that her grave is not with the Prophet (her Father) and that her grave is still unknown to the Muslims in Jannatul Baqi
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Lets see what ALI r.a. of the NAHAJUL BALAGHA THINKS OF THIS SHIA CULT

    Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 191

    Ali says to his Shia:

    “You should know that you have again reverted to the position of the [pagan] Bedouin Arabs after immigration to Islam, and have become different Shias after having been once united. You do not possess anything of Islam except its name, and know nothing of belief save its show. 

    You would throw down Islam on its face in order to defame its honor and break its pledge for brotherhood which Allah gave you as a sacred trust on His earth and a source of peace among the people…You have broken the shackles of Islam, have transgressed its limits, and have destroyed its commands!”
  • Talhah Tarique still waiting for your SAHIH REFERENCE LINK
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Prophet mohammed pbuh died at Aisha r.a. House. 

    Just like Aisha r.a. did not demand her place near the grave of rasool ulllah saw, so did Fatima r.a. 

    Aisha had a more right as that was her room, But she didnt reserve that place even for her self,

    Both of they knew they are quite young and the companions of prophet mohammed pbuh who were of his age and were with them when even both aisha r.a and fatima were not born.
  • Talhah Tarique wha what you refered from Najhul Balagha, is kay baad wala paragraph bhi zara copy paste karadain gain ap?
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui I have not referred to any website for authentic hadith brother ! i do not want to quote some thing that i dont trust. But i have believe in Sahi Muslim and Sahi Bukhari as almost entirely authentic.
  • Talhah Tarique if that is the case, that they did not demand it. For any person, the daughter and son and wives of his Prophet would have been treated highly well and there burial places would have been safeguarded? 

    please note: Hazrat Fatima died before the first two caliphs and Bibi Aisha after them!
  • Talhah Tarique then please do go and read the chapter of ablution and menstruation
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui One serious question

    Prophet mohammed pbuh had four daughters

    Fatima (ra)
    Zaynab (ra)
    Ruqayya (ra)
    Umm Kulthum (ra)

    Why only fatima r.a. got famous in history?? 

    and why the shia discriminate amoung all the daughters of the prophet mohammed pbuh?

    are others three not the ahl-e-bayt ?

    JUST LIKE THE GRAVE OF AISHA R.A. IS NOT KNOWN PRECISELY, SO AS THE GRAVE OF FATIMA R.A. 

    Most probabally hazrat fatima r.a. was burried in the Jannat ul Baqih but by the later wahabis the exact marks were lost.

    but it was the responsibility of ALI r.a. isn’t ?? what did ALI r.a. say about grave of fatima r.a. during his 7+ years of Khilafat?? …
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui You also asked me to write the next paragraph (from nahajul balagha) .. it reads as

    “Be sure that if you incline towards anything other than Islam. the unbelievers will fight you. Then there will be neither Gabriel nor Michael, neither muhajirun nor a…See More
  • Ammar Ahmed Siddiqui Talhah Tarique No matter who you are what you believe in, to me you are better then a billion in the sense you engaged, taught me or learned from me, and presented your point of view . That’s how society improves itself. Fi emman Allah.